i haven't heard anything about this. last i saw this guy was literally begging governments and corporations to sign on to some kind of "please please please be nice" charter, which is, of course, meaningless and non-binding.
Here are the styles/forms of internet that are meaningful.
First, some analogies to help:
Imagine the internet is a forest.
In the forest there are many trees. Think of the trees as countries.
On each tree (country) are a bunch of branches (Internet Service providers)
On each branch (ISP) are a bunch of leaves (each individual home)
To be a tree, you need DIRECT access to the forest, and that's typically controlled by big tech nowadays, because there's significant overhead in planting your own tree. Since big tech has historically been benevolent, there's been little reason for individual companies to establish their own trees, they just use what's there, even if it's not DIRECT access. Only the largest companies bother with DIRECT access.
1) The internet (forest) as we know it is the ability for one leaf on a branch on a tree to talk to another leaf either on that branch, tree, or even a completely different tree.
2) China has locked things down so that even though there access to the forest (internet), most leaves only have access to China's tree. That's it. So, for the most part, the tree can talk amongst itself. Seems like the internet, but it really isn't. If you have very special access, you might get a view onto the forest network and see what #1 sees, but that's also monitored and recorded. It is illegal to use VPNs unless you are a multi-national company... as of today.
3) China could lock down even further and only allow the leaves to talk on its own branch or only to specific branches, if it's been determines some branches aren't behaving as expected.
As reality check, governments have the ability to do #2/#3 - big tech, not so much. That's what makes substack good, because it happens to be a tree unto itself and accesses the forest directly. Big tech can't influence access to the forest if you have direct access to the forest.
So, to take the internet down, it's obvious that it could happen at several levels.
If you're not a tree, then Big tech obviously controls your access to the forest, and as happened to Parler and others, they were cut off.
If you are a tree, like substack, governments may not necessarily be able to easily kill YOUR access to the forest, but it can prevent its tree from talking to your tree. Thus people in the US cannot reach substack. That's a level of filtering that China does with #2.
If the government wants to clamp down even further, they could employ #3.
Anyone who argues with the above is actually wrong. These are the facts, those are the control points. And if you disagree, that's your right to be wrong.
I hate your analogy but yeah, it's not wrong, but as long as a leaf has access to the root nameservers, we can circumvent a lot of this, assuming nobody is going to screw up the routing outside of China or maybe Russia.
ISPs routing DNS requests to "cooperating" roots is how China controls things - nothing prevents the US or any country from mandating the same within its borders.
You think they could get away with that here? If you run a full resolver yourself and query on . will you not get correct answers? Can take it offline or to another channel if you use an alternate channel for comms. I'm interested in this topic.
It's the frog in boiling water thing: the public would freak if it happened suddenly, but with the constant erosion of rights we're slowly seeing freedom bleed away. So, you are already seeing blocking certain sites for the good of everyone, and it's just warming up the water now. Eventually they could cut more of the internet off "for good reason" and we like sheep wouldn't protest - and before you know it, we're China in the isolation and censoring business.
If all you know is what the government tells you, why would you doubt?
I work with people in China daily. They truly believe that Covid was started by the US when visiting military athletes came over and infected some people in Wuhan.
Before that they'd believed it was an importation of contaminated food from Australia.
They can't access Facebook or any social media we're familiar with. They're isolated to their tree. ;-)
Even in 98 things were intense. I had some wall to wall counseling sessions with DIs. I was kicked, hit and cussed at. It taught me skills that kept me alive in Iraq when the war was the harriest. I think our pansified military will bleed as it relearns lessons of toughness and fortitude.
Federal courts have been exclusively electronic filing for something like 15 years or so. A lot of state courts have also switched to electronic filing. No internet would shut down the court system.
Suuuuurrrrreeee, that is all they're looking for. ;) Because of this I'm going to have to get one of those craptastic Androids that I loathe. They're as far from user friendly as a piece of tech can get. :'(
Re shutting down the internet. So much business is conducted remotely now that relies on internet access they'd have to (will?) create some sort of catastrophic event where everyone would be offline at the same time. Maybe a nationwide power outage for a day or two. Blame mysterious hackers. After the two or three days everything comes back and we have internet lite, all histories scrubbed and we are happy with our limited access like we never had it any differently.
We just cook our own beef tongue at home. Always awesome.
Hollywood Insider: 9-11 ?
Virus: more contagious variants always hurt us less, It was our researchers funding the sars2 research, but I DO think chinese researchers were attempting to cull their own dead weight, based on the viruses they chose
New Feudal System: I saw this coming 20 years ago
NSDAP germany: those people started off as all government programs do... good intentions, for the common good, etc etc.
FetusResearch: what in the f?
Internet: Would worry more about AI analysis of your traffic/posts than shutdowns, however, I am spending some of my spare time working on trying to appliance a little internet resiliency.
Tim Pool did an episode recently on the fetus stuff. I lost my lunch and I've seen mutilated bodies. You should listen to the full descriptions, it'll make you wonder if the 4th Reich is upon us.
Link to the internet related video Nick discusses: https://youtu.be/HKoQhXRSNNU
i haven't heard anything about this. last i saw this guy was literally begging governments and corporations to sign on to some kind of "please please please be nice" charter, which is, of course, meaningless and non-binding.
Here are the styles/forms of internet that are meaningful.
First, some analogies to help:
Imagine the internet is a forest.
In the forest there are many trees. Think of the trees as countries.
On each tree (country) are a bunch of branches (Internet Service providers)
On each branch (ISP) are a bunch of leaves (each individual home)
To be a tree, you need DIRECT access to the forest, and that's typically controlled by big tech nowadays, because there's significant overhead in planting your own tree. Since big tech has historically been benevolent, there's been little reason for individual companies to establish their own trees, they just use what's there, even if it's not DIRECT access. Only the largest companies bother with DIRECT access.
1) The internet (forest) as we know it is the ability for one leaf on a branch on a tree to talk to another leaf either on that branch, tree, or even a completely different tree.
2) China has locked things down so that even though there access to the forest (internet), most leaves only have access to China's tree. That's it. So, for the most part, the tree can talk amongst itself. Seems like the internet, but it really isn't. If you have very special access, you might get a view onto the forest network and see what #1 sees, but that's also monitored and recorded. It is illegal to use VPNs unless you are a multi-national company... as of today.
3) China could lock down even further and only allow the leaves to talk on its own branch or only to specific branches, if it's been determines some branches aren't behaving as expected.
As reality check, governments have the ability to do #2/#3 - big tech, not so much. That's what makes substack good, because it happens to be a tree unto itself and accesses the forest directly. Big tech can't influence access to the forest if you have direct access to the forest.
So, to take the internet down, it's obvious that it could happen at several levels.
If you're not a tree, then Big tech obviously controls your access to the forest, and as happened to Parler and others, they were cut off.
If you are a tree, like substack, governments may not necessarily be able to easily kill YOUR access to the forest, but it can prevent its tree from talking to your tree. Thus people in the US cannot reach substack. That's a level of filtering that China does with #2.
If the government wants to clamp down even further, they could employ #3.
Anyone who argues with the above is actually wrong. These are the facts, those are the control points. And if you disagree, that's your right to be wrong.
This is excellent!
I hate your analogy but yeah, it's not wrong, but as long as a leaf has access to the root nameservers, we can circumvent a lot of this, assuming nobody is going to screw up the routing outside of China or maybe Russia.
ISPs routing DNS requests to "cooperating" roots is how China controls things - nothing prevents the US or any country from mandating the same within its borders.
You think they could get away with that here? If you run a full resolver yourself and query on . will you not get correct answers? Can take it offline or to another channel if you use an alternate channel for comms. I'm interested in this topic.
It's the frog in boiling water thing: the public would freak if it happened suddenly, but with the constant erosion of rights we're slowly seeing freedom bleed away. So, you are already seeing blocking certain sites for the good of everyone, and it's just warming up the water now. Eventually they could cut more of the internet off "for good reason" and we like sheep wouldn't protest - and before you know it, we're China in the isolation and censoring business.
If all you know is what the government tells you, why would you doubt?
I work with people in China daily. They truly believe that Covid was started by the US when visiting military athletes came over and infected some people in Wuhan.
Before that they'd believed it was an importation of contaminated food from Australia.
They can't access Facebook or any social media we're familiar with. They're isolated to their tree. ;-)
If we allow it, we'd also be just like China...
We have a government keeping babies alive long enough to cut them up like chickens, and people don't believe they will shut down the internet.
I am worried the old Alex Jones is batting better than the average weather forecaster. Some of his stuff is really nuts.
It's hilarious that you mention beef tongue... I was LITERALLY eating a beef tongue sandwich at that moment.
Good isn't it?
Your taste in food leaves much to be desired.
Question: What was basic training like , way back when you served during the Cold War, did the “DI’s have their hands tied”-Angry Cops.
It was very intense. I look back and laugh at how over the top it was sometimes.
Even in 98 things were intense. I had some wall to wall counseling sessions with DIs. I was kicked, hit and cussed at. It taught me skills that kept me alive in Iraq when the war was the harriest. I think our pansified military will bleed as it relearns lessons of toughness and fortitude.
This OC mando learned of you from another Mando: I subscribe monthly to you now. Oya!!!!
Niiiice!!! Thank you!
Federal courts have been exclusively electronic filing for something like 15 years or so. A lot of state courts have also switched to electronic filing. No internet would shut down the court system.
This could be a good thing though!
Cyber war, and trade war.
Bad juju right now in the logistics train right now. As in there are certain common pieces of equipment for manufacturing that are running out.
Lead Time on silicon is getting a bit insane.
Lead time on paint is insane. Food is messed up.
Bolts, bearings, pumps, seals. The basics of infrastructure.
All running short
Speaking of CP and big tech...
https://notthebee.com/article/apple-says-theyll-now-scan-phones-for-child-pornography-but-many-are-worried-about-how-such-a-backdoor-could-be-used-in-authoritarian-ways
Suuuuurrrrreeee, that is all they're looking for. ;) Because of this I'm going to have to get one of those craptastic Androids that I loathe. They're as far from user friendly as a piece of tech can get. :'(
Re shutting down the internet. So much business is conducted remotely now that relies on internet access they'd have to (will?) create some sort of catastrophic event where everyone would be offline at the same time. Maybe a nationwide power outage for a day or two. Blame mysterious hackers. After the two or three days everything comes back and we have internet lite, all histories scrubbed and we are happy with our limited access like we never had it any differently.
We just cook our own beef tongue at home. Always awesome.
Hollywood Insider: 9-11 ?
Virus: more contagious variants always hurt us less, It was our researchers funding the sars2 research, but I DO think chinese researchers were attempting to cull their own dead weight, based on the viruses they chose
New Feudal System: I saw this coming 20 years ago
NSDAP germany: those people started off as all government programs do... good intentions, for the common good, etc etc.
FetusResearch: what in the f?
Internet: Would worry more about AI analysis of your traffic/posts than shutdowns, however, I am spending some of my spare time working on trying to appliance a little internet resiliency.
Tim Pool did an episode recently on the fetus stuff. I lost my lunch and I've seen mutilated bodies. You should listen to the full descriptions, it'll make you wonder if the 4th Reich is upon us.
Chunky was AWESOME! I was looking for chunky bars and they don't seem to make them anymore.
Oh wow - they still exist! https://www.amazon.com/Nestle-Chunky-Chocolate-Single-Candy/dp/B00EDC19ME/
I've ordered a box of Chunky bars... if we start up our D&D games again... I'll have some in-game to torture others.
I hope that's a 'when' and not an 'if' for y'all. I'm missing the weekly Twitch escapades.
Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge
Cool name Cromethus
The Net Going down. Not possiable. The Web 2.0 sites. YUP. Very possiable.